I know this is really basic but I am struggling a little bit with selecting correct tempo for a drum beat to start recording to.
So what tempo is this?
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What Tempo Is This?
77bpm precisely btw nice sounding drum kit is it ez?
set cubase to a fixed tempo of 77 then align the first bass drum hit to start at the first beat of the bar
say 5:1:1:0 then from then on everythig can be cut and paste ( if necessary ) with no timing issues
set cubase to a fixed tempo of 77 then align the first bass drum hit to start at the first beat of the bar
say 5:1:1:0 then from then on everythig can be cut and paste ( if necessary ) with no timing issues
Last edited by polyal on Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Yes this is EZ Drummer. And 77bpm is exactly what I had it set to.polyal wrote:77bpm precisely btw nice sounding drum kit is it ez?
There is a couple of things that confused me about this.
Firstly I am unsure what to count as the main beat - to me, if I were tapping the tempo I would be tapping the high hat beat, the bass drum falling on beat one and the snare on beat three. However this would make the tempo 154bpm.
I was trying to find the tempo of a song that had a similar drum beat to this, so I aligned it all up and came up with cubase saying 77bpm however looking online, most of this bands tempos are >120 bpm and picking another couple of their tracks, I find the same issue with cubase reporting them at 1/2 the speed suggested.
So I got very confused and I still am!
How did you find the bpm?
Olly wrote:Yes this is EZ Drummer. And 77bpm is exactly what I had it set to.polyal wrote:77bpm precisely btw nice sounding drum kit is it ez?
There is a couple of things that confused me about this.
Firstly I am unsure what to count as the main beat - to me, if I were tapping the tempo I would be tapping the high hat beat, the bass drum falling on beat one and the snare on beat three. However this would make the tempo 154bpm.
I was trying to find the tempo of a song that had a similar drum beat to this, so I aligned it all up and came up with cubase saying 77bpm however looking online, most of this bands tempos are >120 bpm and picking another couple of their tracks, I find the same issue with cubase reporting them at 1/2 the speed suggested.
So I got very confused and I still am!
How did you find the bpm?
the tempo is bpm.. beats per minute
so with the track you posted just count the bass drum and snare in sequence
ie bd =1 sn =2 bd =3 sn =4 =77bpm
the count in can be a variety of things ie 1..2..1234..................1&2&3&4 etc
but the tempo should always be 77 (bpm)
you could use a tempo of 154 but then all the notes would be half the duration
i find it always better to use a tempo that 's even ..in this case 78 or 76 then its easier to ' halve '
if you have to
usually whatever speed you're tapping your foot to is the tempo ( usually )
so if you tap your foot to your drums your tapping @ 77bmp
http://www.metronomeonline.com/
in rock/pop music the bass drum is nearly always on the 1st /3rd beat and the snare on the 2nd /4th beat
in dance the bass drum is nearly always on the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th and f*** the snare
so with the track you posted just count the bass drum and snare in sequence
ie bd =1 sn =2 bd =3 sn =4 =77bpm
the count in can be a variety of things ie 1..2..1234..................1&2&3&4 etc
but the tempo should always be 77 (bpm)
you could use a tempo of 154 but then all the notes would be half the duration
i find it always better to use a tempo that 's even ..in this case 78 or 76 then its easier to ' halve '
if you have to
usually whatever speed you're tapping your foot to is the tempo ( usually )
so if you tap your foot to your drums your tapping @ 77bmp
http://www.metronomeonline.com/
in rock/pop music the bass drum is nearly always on the 1st /3rd beat and the snare on the 2nd /4th beat
in dance the bass drum is nearly always on the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th and f*** the snare
Last edited by polyal on Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:36 am, edited 1 time in total.
Thanks for helping but you have lost me! 
I can definitely understand why, in the opening post example, you would count the bass and snare though I still don't get why you would do this over counting the high hats. Both are consistently laying down a beat - just which one counts for the BPM.
If there were no bass or snare then I can only surmise that the bpm must be that of the high hat - 154bpm.
For example, if you just took that high hat sound and put it into a metronome, it would be at 154bpm.
I can definitely understand why, in the opening post example, you would count the bass and snare though I still don't get why you would do this over counting the high hats. Both are consistently laying down a beat - just which one counts for the BPM.
If there were no bass or snare then I can only surmise that the bpm must be that of the high hat - 154bpm.
For example, if you just took that high hat sound and put it into a metronome, it would be at 154bpm.
if the time signature was n/8 then it would be 154bpm...were assuming
the time signature is n/4 ie4/4
Simple time signatures consist of two numerals, one stacked above the other:
the lower numeral indicates the note value which represents one beat (the "beat unit");
the upper numeral indicates how many such beats there are in a bar.
For instance, 2/4 means two quarter-note (crotchet) beats; 3/8 means three eighth-note (quaver) beats.
The most common simple time signatures are 2/4, 3/4, and 4/4
the time signature is n/4 ie4/4
Simple time signatures consist of two numerals, one stacked above the other:
the lower numeral indicates the note value which represents one beat (the "beat unit");
the upper numeral indicates how many such beats there are in a bar.
For instance, 2/4 means two quarter-note (crotchet) beats; 3/8 means three eighth-note (quaver) beats.
The most common simple time signatures are 2/4, 3/4, and 4/4
that would be 16/16 =308bpm if you change it to crotchets it becomes 77bpm....there are still
16 hihats but the time sig would be 4/4....4 crotchets in every bar
so if you set the tempo to 308 ( but each beat being a semi quav ) you would have 308 semi quav bpm
but still only 77 crotchet bpm....so the speed would still be the same but 4 times the resolution??
so the actual named tempo depends on the time sig..if its 16/16 it would be 308bpm
if its 4/4 " 77bpm
for an identical piece of music the ' speed ' would be the same
the 'n ' is just any number of measures per bar ie 2/4 3/4 4/4 n/4 etc
like a waltz is 123..123 123
16 hihats but the time sig would be 4/4....4 crotchets in every bar
so if you set the tempo to 308 ( but each beat being a semi quav ) you would have 308 semi quav bpm
but still only 77 crotchet bpm....so the speed would still be the same but 4 times the resolution??
so the actual named tempo depends on the time sig..if its 16/16 it would be 308bpm
if its 4/4 " 77bpm
for an identical piece of music the ' speed ' would be the same
the 'n ' is just any number of measures per bar ie 2/4 3/4 4/4 n/4 etc
like a waltz is 123..123 123
Last edited by polyal on Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I guess my brain is just not capable of grasping this.
Where or how is it the high hat being defined as not a crotchet in the first place? Assuming you just had the high hat there, how can anyone say that each sound does not represent 1 beat ie 1 crotchett?
I know I blocked it in 16 notes in my example above but in reality there is no end to the loop. It is just a solid tick tick ticking of the high hat?
Where or how is it the high hat being defined as not a crotchet in the first place? Assuming you just had the high hat there, how can anyone say that each sound does not represent 1 beat ie 1 crotchett?
I know I blocked it in 16 notes in my example above but in reality there is no end to the loop. It is just a solid tick tick ticking of the high hat?
thanks for the compliments...much appreciated
i think with playing in bands for over a 100 years the count in was the first most important part of the song
it dictated the tempo....so the speed of the count in was the speed of the song
if the drummer counted in to fast the song would be to fast and visa versa
so viva good drummers ( and drum machines etc )......if say your song in cubase starts at bar 7
put 4 bass drum hits ( or snare ) starting at bar 6...ie 1..2..3..4 on the quarter beat ...this will give you the feel
of the song ( basically )....before the drums kick in
a pro drummer will usually tap his sticks and do a verbal count at the song tempo
count ins can vary but they will always give the tempo of the song
i think with playing in bands for over a 100 years the count in was the first most important part of the song
it dictated the tempo....so the speed of the count in was the speed of the song
if the drummer counted in to fast the song would be to fast and visa versa
so viva good drummers ( and drum machines etc )......if say your song in cubase starts at bar 7
put 4 bass drum hits ( or snare ) starting at bar 6...ie 1..2..3..4 on the quarter beat ...this will give you the feel
of the song ( basically )....before the drums kick in
a pro drummer will usually tap his sticks and do a verbal count at the song tempo
count ins can vary but they will always give the tempo of the song
Last edited by polyal on Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.