501

(24 replies, posted in Music Theory)

Instructor wrote:

The reason it doesn't work the other way, is because of RESOLUTION.  If you try that,  take any progression in C, and proceed modally, as you described above you'd be hard pressed to get the jam to sound "Resolved" on anything but C.

This is exactly what I struggled/struggle with - it is all too easy to think "well I know the notes of the mode", solo along and realise you are simply playing the major key.

This is why I know the modal flavours from the point of a single drone or simple chord vamp and nothing much more than that!

502

(11 replies, posted in Music Theory)

polyal wrote:

olly..thanks for that...will have a good listen

No worries. Of course, as usual, it was kind of chucked together but hopefully it will help. Just shout with any questions/alterations etc!

503

(11 replies, posted in Music Theory)

Instructor wrote:

Olly, great job.  In regards to Dorian, I might have said that since Minor is a b6, so in raising that, a half step, you arrive at a Natural 6th.  A #6 would be a half step past the Natural 6th, so I'd want to be careful in using "sharp", and I might say "raised by a half step".

Thanks Sean - good point here. I found modes so confusing when I first heard about them so the last thing I want to do is add to any confusion!

504

(10 replies, posted in Misc)

Does anyone do anything special for new years eve? I don't really any more because of the young children so most likely will stay in sat in front of the telly!

Anyone got anything good planned?

505

(6 replies, posted in Misc)

Despite my lad getting up at 4 in the morning he went back to sleep and I didn't get woken until a respectable 7:30.

The day was good, all teh kids got loads of presents, I drank loads of beer so was happy!

How was yours?

506

(10 replies, posted in Introduce yourself)

Novice 1 wrote:

it seems I just can't put the guitar down, I love it.

That is good to hear!

Life does trend to get in the way but it is definitely so rewarding taking a little time out to play!

507

(102 replies, posted in Your Recordings)

Hi and welcome to the forum. Your music is really great.

508

(11 replies, posted in Music Theory)

Here is a real rough guide to the different sounds of the modes.

The bass is just playing the E note in all examples.

Ionian

This is the first mode. The Ionian mode is the major scale as we know it.


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It sounds bright and happy.



Dorian

The second mode is Dorian. This has a much darker sound to it. The differences from this mode to the Ionian is that we have a flattened 3rd.

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Looking at it another way (which can make it even more difficult to understand), it contains all the notes of the D Major scale. The only difference is that we are not focussing the note on D but E. It does not sounds bright and cheerful like we would expect any major scale to, it sounds completely different from major.




Phrygian

Phrygian has an even darker sound to it. The difference between this and Ionian is that we are flattening the 2nd, 3rd and 6th note.

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The E phygian scale contains all the same notes from the C Major scale. You can play these notes over the backing and as the focus is on E and not C it will not sound like C Major at all but E phygian.



Lydian

I like the fourth mode, Lydian, it has a great floaty feel to it. The difference between this and Ionian is that Lydian has a sharpened 4th.

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E Lydian contains the same notes as the B Major scale. With the focus on the E it sounds completely different from B Major



Mixolydian

The fifth mode of the major scale is Mixolydian. When comparing to the major scale (ionian) it has a flattened 7th.

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This has the same notes as A major and like before, playing the notes from the A major scale but using E as the focus point it will not sound like A major at all.



Aeolian

This is the same as the minor scale. It is built off the 6th note of the major scale. It has a flattened 3rd, and 6th.

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The notes are the same as that of G major.



Locrian

The final mode is Locrian and it has a flattened 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 6th note. I find this one the toughest as it doesn't really sound too great in my opinion.

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Even though we are using the same notes that appear in F major, it really doesn't sound major at all with the focus being n the E!



I tend to think of the modes as either major or minor. So Ionian, Lydian and Mixolydian are all major sounding modes and Dorian, Phyrgian and Aeolian are minor sounding. Looking at them in this way there is only one differnt note.

What I mean by this is, for example, take Dorian. The only difference between E Minor (aeolian) and E Dorian is the sharpened 6th. So I could play the Minor pentatonic scale and chuck in the sharpened 6th and I am playing Dorian.

I find with modes it is all about emphasis. If I am playing a minor mode I want to emphasise the flattened 3rd note and the note that is different (i.e with Dorian, the #6th note). Likewise if I am playing a major mode I want to emphasise the 3rd note and the different note (ie with Lydian the #4th). These different notes bring out the mode.

I find it easy to hear the modes myself but ONLY in a situation like this where the bass is clearly defined. You are never going to find a song with just a droning bass note like this so application of modes within more general music is where I get stuck though I always listen out for these characteristics of the modal sounds that I have (hopefully) illustrated above.


Give it a whirl yourselves - here is the droning E backing to try out each of the modes to get your ear used to their flavours:

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Please feel free to add any questions about this or correct any mistakes I may have made.

509

(24 replies, posted in Music Theory)

Instructor wrote:

Theory definitely could be used to compose something.  If one learns that their song had a bit of a departure simply by going to the bVII, then thats a creative tool or insight they now possess.  If they learned they could extend an exploratory guitar solo for 3 or 4 minutes simply by doing a IV to I (Plagal) then that too can be creative simply through the knowledge of theory, that may not have come about simply wiggling along by ear.

This is some great advice and exactly the sort of thing I am trying to work on at the moment.

510

(10 replies, posted in Introduce yourself)

Hey and welcome. Hope you enjoy the forum. Any questions you have then feel free to ask. We have a whole bunch of friendly people with varying musical tastes.

What music are you into and what do you like to play on the guitar?

511

(15 replies, posted in Song Analysis)

I love this song primarily for the energy it has as well as how well it seems to be written. It is a great example of the way a Queen song is written - nothing straightforward it seems, musically.

The son starts with F. I take the progression as being (for the first line)

I III VI II V

Then we have an F followed by F7 - the F7 is the V chord of Bb and Bb follows this chord. Bb falls into the key of F as the IV chord. I'm not sure how this secondary dominant is written in the roman numerals but I would guess it be something along the lines of V/IV.

The D7 is where I am stuck. It sounds like it is meant to be there but it is not in the key. Is this another secondary dominant?

Intro

   F                         Am             Dm                    Gm   C
Tonight I’m gonna have myself real good time, I feel alive
               F       F7                 Bb            Gm                          D7
And the world turning inside out yeah, a floating around in ecstasy
    Gm   Dm   C  Gm7   Gm   Dm   C
So don’t stop me now, don’t stop me
           Gm             C7
Cause I’m having a good time, having a good time


Verse 1

      F                                 Am                         Dm
I’m a shooting star leaping through the sky, like a tiger
            Gm              C
Defying the law of gravity
      F                  Am                         Dm
I’m a racing car passing by, like lady Godiva
                 Gm     C                                  F
I’m gonna go go go there’s no stopping me

F7                                 Bb              Gm
I’m burning through the sky yeah, two hundred degrees
                       D7                       Gm
That’s why they call me Mr. Fahrenheit
     D7                                  Gm
I’m travelling at the speed of light
                                                C
I wanna make a supersonic man out of you


Chorus

F     Gm  Am Dm                                Gm                                 C
Don’t stop me now, I’m having such a good time I’m having a ball
F     Gm  Am Dm                                  Gm                           D7
Don’t stop me now, if you wanna have a good time just give me a call
Gm    Dm   C   Gm7
Don’t stop me, cause I’m having a good time
Gm    Dm   C   Gm7
Don’t stop me, yes I’m having a good time
C7                          Eb
I don’t wanna stop at all

Verse 2 (same chords)

      F                                           Am           Dm
I’m a rocket ship on my way to Mars, on a collision course
      Gm              C
I’m a satellite, I’m out of control
       F                                   Am             Dm
I’m a sex machine ready to reload, like an atom bomb
         Gm    C          F
About to oh oh oh explode

      F7                          Bb            Gm
I’m burning through the sky yeah, two hundred degrees
                 D7                       Gm
That’s why they call me Mr. Fahrenheit
     D7                                  Gm
I’m travelling at the speed of light
                                                C
I wanna make a supersonic woman of you

Bridge (drums only)

Don’t stop me, don’t stop me, don’t stop me (hey, hey, hey)
Don’t stop me, don’t stop me (oo, oo, oo)
Don’t stop me, don’t stop me (have a good time, good time)
Don’t stop me, don’t stop me (woooaaaawwwww)


Solo



      F7                       Bb            Gm
I’m burning thru the sky yeah, two hundred degrees
                 D7                        Gm
That’s why they call me Mr. Fahrenheit
     D7                                    Gm
I’m travelling at the speed of light
                                         C
I wanna make a supersonic woman of you

Chorus

F     Gm  Am Dm                                        Gm             C
Don’t stop me now, I’m having such a good time I’m having a ball
F     Gm  Am Dm                                          Gm             D7
Don’t stop me now, if you wanna have a good time Just give me a call
Gm    Dm   C   Gm7
Don’t stop me, cause I’m having a good time
Gm    Dm   C   Gm7
Don’t stop me, yes I’m having a good time
C7                         Eb    F
I don’t wanna stop at all

I'm not sure that the chords are completely accurate but they are pretty much there.

So the first chord is A but the next is B7 which is not in the key of A but in the key of E. Dmaj7 fits with it being in the key of A but not in the key of E.

So how to begin analysing this one?

I assume that the B7 is a secondary dominant?

A                      B7
One dream one soul one prize one goal
    Dmaj7                        A
One golden glance of what should be

(Its a kind of magic)
A                       B7
One shaft of light that shows the way
   Dmaj7                   A
No mortal man can win this day

(Its a kind of magic)
    A                 B7
The bell that rings inside your mind
   Dmaj7                    A
Is challenging the doors of time

(Its a kind of magic)

F#min7            D
The waiting seems eternity
F#min7               E
The day will dawn of sanity

D                 A
Is this a kind of magic

(Its a kind of magic)
D                 A
There can be only one
     E         G                D
This rage that lasts a thousand years
             E
Will soon be done

     A                  B7
This flame that burns inside of me
Dmaj7             A
Im here in secret harmonies

(Its a kind of magic)

    A                 B7
The bell that rings inside your mind
   Dmaj7           A             D
Is challenging the doors of time

D             A
Its a kind of magic
D             A
Its a kind of magic

A    D    A

    E         G       D
The rage that lasts a thousand years
E11           
Will soon be will soon be
             E
Will soon be done

D                 A
This is a kind of magic
D                 A
There can be only one
     E         G       D
This rage that lasts a thousand years
             E11    E7 D
Will soon be done - done

N.c.    A              D
Magic - it's a kind of magic
A             D
Its a kind of magic
A                 D
Magic magic magic magic
A             D
Ha ha ha it's magic
A             D
Its a kind of magic

The song ends on A

515

(5 replies, posted in Lick of the Week)

Is that because it doesn't work with the site? If so can you please send me the mp3 and I will resolve the issue!

Cheers

polyal wrote:

can somebody explain the point of modes and give me a practical example in a simple song...

I will be attempting to answer your question but I hope that someone else can as my understanding of modes is still very limited to the drone/vamp type progressions where you can clearly hear the modal sound coming out.

alun wrote:

Frank sent us Rock&Roll....

Cheers Frank!

I hope you are all having a good one!

518

(24 replies, posted in Music Theory)

Instructor - Thanks for such a detailed post. It will take me a while to digest it all but I can follow your analysis.

Great stuff - thanks!

NicolaePaul - This is interesting. I guess in this instance we are using theory to analyse what has been created. I am not sure if theory could really help compose something like this in the first place. Though maybe I am wrong!

519

(5 replies, posted in Guitars)

Tuning is vital in my opinion.

In the past I couldn't understand why one day I played and loved every minute of it - sounding great, and then the next it sounded uninspiring.

Whilst there are other reasons I found out that tiny tuning issues were the main culprit. Often smaller than the tuner would pick up. It could make such a difference!

520

(4 replies, posted in Announcements)

Happy Christmas to all! Hope everyone has a great few days!

521

(24 replies, posted in Music Theory)

Cogs wrote:

Olly, I hope you don't mind be dredging up this old thread I found

Not at all! I am pleased you did!

I will check out the chord progression you mention as it does look interesting. I would personally not even know where to begin to start with analysing this harmonically but I know a man who probably could...

Instructor - are you still around?

522

(6 replies, posted in Newbie Section)

It is a scale with 5 notes rather than the usual 7. It is a good one for beginners to work with and is great for soloing over a whole load of stuff!

523

(8 replies, posted in Misc)

Hey good to see you.

I did consider your idea. The main reason for the current simple name is for seo purposes as it is best to try and rank well for guitar forums as this seems to be what people search on.

524

(5 replies, posted in Misc)

The whole global warming thing has gone a little quiet in the last few weeks...

525

(8 replies, posted in Misc)

I will have to think about that one. It will be possible but it may be outside of my coding capabilities!